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Re: UNLESS THEY KNOW SOMETHING WE DON'T

Duck — Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:05:41 +0000

Reply by Duck, Monday, April 10, 2006, 16:05:

Thanks for posting that concept. We are all searching for truth! We don't know all the truth, therefore, we have to speculate. We may be doing ourselves an injustice if we totally close our minds to all avenues just because it may strike us as rediculous! Even if 95% was "bull", we would miss that 10% that just might be a key to open something else. I was raised during the original Star Trek series. And I think back to what thoughts were about some of the "the technological" gadets they had on that show. Ah, just the imaginations of Hollywood writers! WELL, LOOK WHAT WE HAVE NOW? We need to use our intellegence (mind) and our reasoning skills. None of us knows it all, but we all have something to contribute through the avenues we research. And we are all in this together!

: UNLESS THEY KNOW SOMETHING WE DON'T

: pure speculation: What about a possible scenario of a real end
: time time wave?
: 2012? Didn't GWB reply to a question about the near future
: with 'I don't know whe will all be dead by then'? I wish I
: could remember this exact quote and the context.

: Anbody remember this or care to speculate?

UNLESS THEY KNOW SOMETHING WE DON'T

threecats — Mon, 10 Apr 2006 05:54:42 +0000

Reply by threecats, Monday, April 10, 2006, 05:54:

This CONTINUALLY keeps comming to mind as an explaination
of what I would consider 'totally bizarre behavior and policy'.

UNLESS THEY KNOW SOMETHING WE DON'T

pure speculation:
What about a possible scenario of a real end time time wave?
2012? Didn't GWB reply to a question about the near future with 'I don't know whe will all be dead by then'? I wish I could remember this exact quote and the context.

Anbody remember this or care to speculate?

:
: A thought puzzles me. A conflict, if you will. Our government
: gives the impression that they can do anything they want as
: though it will not make a difference! At the same time,
: they want a NWO. So, if nukes are used and a chain reaction
: is begun, who would want to RULE over a world that has been
: contaminated and stripped of almost all it's flora, fauna
: and intellences? What would be left to rule over and how
: satisfying would that be for TPTB? Unless they know
: something we don't. Like everyone WOULD be ascended to the
: next demension and in a better shape/world than we left??
: Maybe a parallel demension where the Earth wasn't
: destroyed. I am only surmising.

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pinkcomputercat — Mon, 10 Apr 2006 05:46:03 +0000

Reply by pinkcomputercat, Monday, April 10, 2006, 05:46:

Inalienable Rights of Select Citizens of the American Empire

1. We have the right to pre-emptively attack the nation or region of our choice simply based on our belief that they may be a threat to the Empire. No evidence necessary.

2. We have established and will maintain the right to murder an unlimited number of innocent civilians so long as our military machine does the killing and we label the victims as "collateral damage".

3. We have the right to label whomever we choose as "terrorists" or "enemy combatants" and to hold them indefinitely without a trial.

4. We are exempt from the Geneva Conventions and have the right to commit acts of torture or to rendition our unconvicted prisoners to other countries which will torture them.

5. We have the right to continue glorifying and justifying the land theft and genocide we committed against Native Americans.

6. We have the right to continue to claiming we are the "leader of the free world" when slavery was a legal institution in our nation until the Civil War, women were not able to vote until the Twentieth Century, institutionalized segregation existed until the 1960's, and we deny 5% of our population (Gays and Lesbians) equal rights and protection under the Constitution.

7. We have the right to sell ourselves as a "democracy" despite the fact that we are a constitutional republic, and despite the fact that corporate interests, lobbyists, wealthy campaign donors, and Israel shape most of our foreign and domestic policy.

8. We have the right to bill ourselves as a "bastion of human rights" (and thus justify our imperial interventions) despite the fact that we have the highest prison population in the world, we have a government which tortures on a wide scale, and we are one of the few "developed" nations which metes out the death penalty.

9. We have the right to hoard the largest stockpile of weapons of mass destruction in the history of humankind while prohibiting other nations from possessing such weapons. We also are the only nation with the right to employ WMD's on a wide scale, as evidenced by our annihilation of over 100,000 Japanese civilians.

10. We have the right to plunder 25% of the world's resources to provide for a scant 5% of the world's population, while blustering that if the rest of the world embraced laissez-faire capitalism, they could reap the same bountiful harvest. (Forget the mathematical impossibilities involved. Those just get in the way of the propaganda!)

11. We have the right to continue to empower multi-national corporations with the rights of person-hood, limit their exposure to criminal prosecution and civil suits, and to enable them to exploit human beings in other nations. As long as our corporate friends are showing a profit, they can operate sweat-shops, facilitate the murder of labor agitators, maintain monopolies, off-shore American jobs while exploiting the foreign workers who take them, avoid paying taxes by setting up "shell headquarters" in places like Bermuda, destroy the environment, and continue the race to the bottom in wages and benefits, here and abroad.

12. We have the right to maintain and enhance a socio-economic system that places a significant portion of the world's wealth in the hands of about 3 million people (approximately one percent of the US population). Tax cuts and an end to estate taxes will ensure that the Empire's plutocracy perpetuates its reign. We have the right to foster a malevolent world economic order which results in 3 billion human beings living on less than $2 per day.

13. We have the right to account for half of the world's military expenditures to "provide for the common defense" of 5% of the world's population while 46 million of our people have no health insurance, 13% of the overall American population lives in poverty, over a million are homeless, an alarmingly high percentage of Black America suffers poverty and receives a pathetic education, and crises like New Orleans result in passive mass murder and diasporas of "undesirables".

14. We have the right to send military recruiters into public schools. Our recruiters have access to student addresses and phone numbers and we pay them to use propaganda and financial incentives to entice our youth into sacrificing themselves for the latest imperial crusade.

15. We have the right to accrue as much public and personal debt as we deem "necessary" to perpetuate the American Dream for our nation and to satiate our personal obsessions with acquiring material possessions.

16. We have the right to impose our hollow, shallow, and violent cultural values on a world cowed into acceptance by the raw military and economic power of the American Empire.

17. We have the right to spy on our citizens, eliminate habeas corpus, and contract private companies like Blackwater to avoid the constraints of posse comitatus. It is of no concern to us that our actions seriously conflict with the US Constitution.

18. We have the right to produce 25% of greenhouse gasses, ignore and discount mounting evidence of global warming, and refuse to sign the Kyoto Treaty.

19. We have the right to malign, threaten, intimidate, or kill those within the Empire who have the audacity to question or oppose our agenda.

20. We have the right to maintain a corrupt Duopoly consisting of the Republican and Democratic Parties, which consistently present American voters with candidates whose goals are to perpetuate the Empire and the agendas of its corporate and plutocratic leaders.

21. We have the right to use the IMF and World Bank to impose our economic will on "developing" nations which we "help" by burdening them with crushing debt.

22. We have the right to ignore and violate international law while demanding that the rest of the world (excepting Great Britain and Israel) adhere to it stringently.

23. We have the right to subsidize and support Israel's ongoing ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians.

24. We have the right to concentrate the power of the United States government in the hands of the Executive Branch under the pretext that it is necessitated by the "War on Terror".

25. We have the right to label those who dare to oppose our invasions or genocides as savages or terrorists and strip them of their human rights.

There you have it. Now the American Empire's principal supporters and beneficiaries have their own "Bill of Rights". Ironically, it has more than twice the number of rights guaranteed to all Americans under the original Constitutional Amendments. Since the true Bill of Rights is anathema to their cause, it is essential that the Empire loyalists' "special rights" outnumber the rights protected by our Constitution.

not every American is guilty of this way of thinking....

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asymmetricthought — Mon, 10 Apr 2006 03:55:32 +0000

Reply by asymmetricthought, Monday, April 10, 2006, 03:55:

Hi there

We are dealing with a Deranged Government . There should be
safeguards to protect the sheeple from people like that ...
Read about America's "noble cause " at the links below also at "rense .com " and at the civillibertarian website .

"America reserve the full right to murder ,exploit ,torture "

Cheers

http://www.rense.com/

http://civillibertarian.blogspot.com/2006/04/americas-noble-cause.html

Re: UFOs & NUKES

gman — Sun, 09 Apr 2006 23:12:56 +0000

Reply by gman, Sunday, April 09, 2006, 23:12:

: Deploying nukes is of the edge, so let's dare to go there:
: Nuclear Facilities and UFOs
:
: http://www.nationalufocenter.com/artman/publish/article_26.php

: The RA Material if a human is engulfed in a nuclear fireball,
: the strong nuclear force will disassociate the energies of
: our "eternal soul.
:
: http://www.nationalufocenter.com/artman/publish/article_26.php

I would guess that, like light, a nuclear blast could cross the dimension barriers. It could possibly have a negative effect on the higher densities as well as 3d.

Re: MORE TERRORISTIC THREATENING

Duck — Sun, 09 Apr 2006 23:12:26 +0000

Reply by Duck, Sunday, April 09, 2006, 23:12:

: I thought threatening to use weapons of mass destruction
: was a violation of the patriot act? The effect this would have
: on the US and world economy should be considered an ACT OF
: TREASON.

: Doesn't the SUN have to be in certain alignment or something
: to allow detonation? Could we not then predict nearly the
: exact week or day?? Would this prediction be able to
: pre-empt detonation?

: When are we going to stop the radioactive pollution of this
: planet?

: To First Time readers: Nuclear explosions are a crime against
: humanity and every living being on this planet. Those who
: do nothing to speak out against it, will be held
: accountable by being forced to live in a radioactive dump
: site hell called earth.

: This penal colony, we call Earth, is getting STALE!

: It's obvious to me, 95% of the masses are a zombie public are
: a bunch of lazy cowardly sheep..enabling these atrocities
: to continue. A people who allow their POLY TICS to use DU,
: Torture, Threaten with Nukes, Hike oil, Harras and imprison
: decending views. Those allowing this 'attack on humanity'
: may just be imprisonned for Eternity in a psychotic loop. I
: can't explain how this is going to happen but it has
: something to do with 'incubation' of destructive wave
: patterns. Making biblical prophesy of eternal hell a
: possibity. The choice is ours, compassion or destruction.
: If you fail to act, this alone is a choice! Only sharable
: thoughts can survive the comming time wave. If we clear our
: inner selves of our own dirty laundry we will find a new
: world manifesting.

: In my opinion these great choices are here by no accident. We
: need to be given CLEAR CHOICES and we are. Don't complain
: when you're stuck in a hell like environment that the
: choices were to complex or hard to see.

: NO MORE NUKES
: NO MORE TORTURE
: NO MORE GENOCIDE PLANS
: NO MORE CONCENTRATION CAMP FUNDING
: NO MORE TEARING APPART OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS
: NO MORE FAKE CURRENCIES
: NO MORE MANIPULATION
: NO MORE PROPAGANDA
: NO MORE NON DISCLOSURE OF VACCINE CONTENTS
: NO MORE ASPARTAME LIES
: NO MORE REGULATING GOD GIVEN PLANTS
: NO MORE PHARMA SOURCERY
: NO MORE TACTICAL NUKES
: NO MORE PSYOPS
: NO MORE TRACKING OF HUMAN BEINGS AS IF THEY ARE CATTLE
: NO MORE NON DISCLOSURE DO TO NATIONAL SECURITY
: NO MORE HOMELAND SECURITY
: NO MORE BLAMING! RACES, RELIGIONS, REGIONS AND CULTURES
: NO MORE BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS TESTING
: NO MORE HIDING - HAARP
: NO MORE HUMAN SLAVE TRADE

: We need to internally choose compassion then externally TAKE
: BACK OUR GRAND JURY POWERs!

: Do we have any constitutional lawyers among us??

A thought puzzles me. A conflict, if you will. Our government gives the impression that they can do anything they want as though it will not make a difference! At the same time, they want a NWO. So, if nukes are used and a chain reaction is begun, who would want to RULE over a world that has been contaminated and stripped of almost all it's flora, fauna and intellences? What would be left to rule over and how satisfying would that be for TPTB? Unless they know something we don't. Like everyone WOULD be ascended to the next demension and in a better shape/world than we left?? Maybe a parallel demension where the Earth wasn't destroyed. I am only surmising.

Re: UFOs & NUKES

Duck — Sun, 09 Apr 2006 22:45:39 +0000

Reply by Duck, Sunday, April 09, 2006, 22:45:

: Deploying nukes is of the edge, so let's dare to go there:
: Nuclear Facilities and UFOs
:
: http://www.nationalufocenter.com/artman/publish/article_26.php

CONCERNING KENT"S SECOND LINK....I ALMOST DIDN'T SEE THE UPDATE WRITTEN LAST YEAR, BECAUSE I HAD ALREADY READ THE FIRST PART. LOT'S OF NEWER INFORMATION. MAKES YOU STOP AND THINK. MY SCROLL BAR WAS ABOUT AN INCH FROM THE BOTTOM. IT BEGINS...Update: August 2, 2005

I FOUND IT INTERESTING AND THOUGHT PROVOKING.

MORE TERRORISTIC THREATENING

threecats — Sun, 09 Apr 2006 21:33:32 +0000

Reply by threecats, Sunday, April 09, 2006, 21:33:

I thought threatening to use weapons of mass destruction
was a violation of the patriot act? The effect this would have on the US and world economy should be considered an ACT OF TREASON.

Doesn't the SUN have to be in certain alignment or something to allow detonation? Could we not then predict nearly the exact week or day?? Would this prediction be able to pre-empt detonation?

When are we going to stop the radioactive pollution of this planet?

To First Time readers:

Nuclear explosions are a crime against humanity and every living being on this planet. Those who do nothing to speak out against it, will be held accountable by being forced to live in a radioactive dump site hell called earth.

This penal colony, we call Earth, is getting STALE!

It's obvious to me, 95% of the masses are a zombie public are a bunch of lazy cowardly sheep..enabling these atrocities to continue. A people who allow their POLY TICS to use DU, Torture, Threaten with Nukes, Hike oil, Harras and imprison decending views. Those allowing this 'attack on humanity' may just be imprisonned for Eternity in a psychotic loop. I can't explain how this is going to happen but it has something to do with 'incubation' of destructive wave patterns. Making biblical prophesy of eternal hell a possibity. The choice is ours, compassion or destruction. If you fail to act, this alone is a choice! Only sharable thoughts can survive the comming time wave. If we clear our inner selves of our own dirty laundry we will find a new world manifesting.

In my opinion these great choices are here by no accident. We need to be given CLEAR CHOICES and we are. Don't complain when you're stuck in a hell like environment that the choices were to complex or hard to see.

NO MORE NUKES
NO MORE TORTURE
NO MORE GENOCIDE PLANS
NO MORE CONCENTRATION CAMP FUNDING
NO MORE TEARING APPART OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS
NO MORE FAKE CURRENCIES
NO MORE MANIPULATION
NO MORE PROPAGANDA
NO MORE NON DISCLOSURE OF VACCINE CONTENTS
NO MORE ASPARTAME LIES
NO MORE REGULATING GOD GIVEN PLANTS
NO MORE PHARMA SOURCERY
NO MORE TACTICAL NUKES
NO MORE PSYOPS
NO MORE TRACKING OF HUMAN BEINGS AS IF THEY ARE CATTLE
NO MORE NON DISCLOSURE DO TO NATIONAL SECURITY
NO MORE HOMELAND SECURITY
NO MORE BLAMING! RACES, RELIGIONS, REGIONS AND CULTURES
NO MORE BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS TESTING
NO MORE HIDING - HAARP
NO MORE HUMAN SLAVE TRADE

We need to internally choose compassion then externally TAKE BACK OUR GRAND JURY POWERs!

Do we have any constitutional lawyers among us??

: Odd logic.....we use nukes against iran 'cause we don't want
: them to use nukes.
:
: ******************************************************************
:
: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060408/wl_mideast_afp/usirannuclearmilitary

: US considers use of nuclear weapons against Iran

: Sat Apr 8, 2:24 AM ET

: WASHINGTON (AFP) - The administration of
: President George W. Bush is planning a massive bombing
: campaign against
: Iran, including use of bunker-buster nuclear bombs to destroy
: a key Iranian suspected nuclear weapons facility, The New
: Yorker magazine has reported in its April 17 issue.

: The article by investigative journalist Seymour Hersh said
: that Bush and others in the White House have come to view
: Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as a potential Adolf
: Hitler.

: "That's the name they're using," the report quoted a
: former senior intelligence official as saying.

: A senior unnamed
: Pentagon adviser is quoted in the article as saying that
: "this White House believes that the only way to solve
: the problem is to change the power structure in Iran, and
: that means war."

: The former intelligence officials depicts planning as
: "enormous," "hectic" and
: "operational," Hersh writes.

: One former defense official said the military planning was
: premised on a belief that "a sustained bombing
: campaign in Iran will humiliate the religious leadership
: and lead the public to rise up and overthrow the
: government," The New Yorker pointed out.

: In recent weeks, the president has quietly initiated a series
: of talks on plans for Iran with a few key senators and
: members of the House of Representatives, including at least
: one Democrat, the report said.

: One of the options under consideration involves the possible
: use of a bunker-buster tactical nuclear weapon, such as the
: B61-11, to insure the destruction of Iran's main centrifuge
: plant at Natanz, Hersh writes.

: But the former senior intelligence official said the attention
: given to the nuclear option has created serious misgivings
: inside the military, and some officers have talked about
: resigning after an attempt to remove the nuclear option
: from the evolving war plans in Iran failed, according to
: the report.

: "There are very strong sentiments within the military
: against brandishing nuclear weapons against other
: countries," the magazine quotes the Pentagon adviser
: as saying.

: The adviser warned that bombing Iran could provoke "a
: chain reaction" of attacks on American facilities and
: citizens throughout the world and might also reignite
: Hezbollah.

: "If we go, the southern half of
: Iraq will light up like a candle," the adviser is quoted
: as telling The New Yorker.

UFOs & NUKES

Kent — Sun, 09 Apr 2006 20:43:23 +0000

Reply by Kent, Sunday, April 09, 2006, 20:43:

Deploying nukes is of the edge, so let's dare to go there:

Nuclear Facilities and UFOs
http://www.nationalufocenter.com/artman/publish/article_26.php

The RA Material if a human is engulfed in a nuclear fireball, the strong nuclear force will disassociate the energies of our "eternal soul.
http://www.nationalufocenter.com/artman/publish/article_26.php

Re: US CONSIDERS USE OF NUKES AGAINST IRAN PIC

Kent — Sun, 09 Apr 2006 20:25:37 +0000

Reply by Kent, Sunday, April 09, 2006, 20:25:

VIDEO: J. Robert Oppenheimer "Now I am become death..."
http://www.atomicarchive.com/Movies/Movie8.shtml

Trinity 16 July 1945
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Tests/Trinity.html

VIDEO: mushroom cloud
http://www.atomicarchive.com/Movies/mushroomcloud.shtml

VIDEO: Atomic Bomb 'Fat Boy' Dropped On Nagasaki
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/66376/atomic_bomb_fat_boy_dropped_on_nagasaki/

ORBIT

Re: US CONSIDERS USE OF NUKES AGAINST IRAN

onsitegreg — Sun, 09 Apr 2006 17:06:42 +0000

Reply by onsitegreg, Sunday, April 09, 2006, 17:06:

This is hanging like a proverbial "sword of damocles" over the world's financial markets. It contributes to the growing instability.

: US considers use of nuclear weapons against Iran

: Sat Apr 8, 2:24 AM ET

: The article by investigative journalist Seymour Hersh said
: that Bush and others in the White House have come to view
: Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as a potential Adolf
: Hitler.

: "That's the name they're using," the report quoted a
: former senior intelligence official as saying.

: The former intelligence officials depicts planning as
: "enormous," "hectic" and
: "operational," Hersh writes.

: "There are very strong sentiments within the military
: against brandishing nuclear weapons against other
: countries," the magazine quotes the Pentagon adviser
: as saying.

: The adviser warned that bombing Iran could provoke "a
: chain reaction" of attacks on American facilities and
: citizens throughout the world and might also reignite
: Hezbollah.

: "If we go, the southern half of
: Iraq will light up like a candle," the adviser is quoted
: as telling The New Yorker.

US CONSIDERS USE OF NUKES AGAINST IRAN

gman — Sun, 09 Apr 2006 16:59:27 +0000

Posting by gman, Sunday, April 09, 2006, 16:59:

Odd logic.....we use nukes against iran 'cause we don't want them to use nukes.
******************************************************************
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060408/wl_mideast_afp/usirannuclearmilitary

US considers use of nuclear weapons against Iran

Sat Apr 8, 2:24 AM ET

WASHINGTON (AFP) - The administration of
President George W. Bush is planning a massive bombing campaign against
Iran, including use of bunker-buster nuclear bombs to destroy a key Iranian suspected nuclear weapons facility, The New Yorker magazine has reported in its April 17 issue.

The article by investigative journalist Seymour Hersh said that Bush and others in the White House have come to view Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as a potential Adolf Hitler.

"That's the name they're using," the report quoted a former senior intelligence official as saying.

A senior unnamed
Pentagon adviser is quoted in the article as saying that "this White House believes that the only way to solve the problem is to change the power structure in Iran, and that means war."

The former intelligence officials depicts planning as "enormous," "hectic" and "operational," Hersh writes.

One former defense official said the military planning was premised on a belief that "a sustained bombing campaign in Iran will humiliate the religious leadership and lead the public to rise up and overthrow the government," The New Yorker pointed out.

In recent weeks, the president has quietly initiated a series of talks on plans for Iran with a few key senators and members of the House of Representatives, including at least one Democrat, the report said.

One of the options under consideration involves the possible use of a bunker-buster tactical nuclear weapon, such as the B61-11, to insure the destruction of Iran's main centrifuge plant at Natanz, Hersh writes.

But the former senior intelligence official said the attention given to the nuclear option has created serious misgivings inside the military, and some officers have talked about resigning after an attempt to remove the nuclear option from the evolving war plans in Iran failed, according to the report.

"There are very strong sentiments within the military against brandishing nuclear weapons against other countries," the magazine quotes the Pentagon adviser as saying.

The adviser warned that bombing Iran could provoke "a chain reaction" of attacks on American facilities and citizens throughout the world and might also reignite Hezbollah.

"If we go, the southern half of
Iraq will light up like a candle," the adviser is quoted as telling The New Yorker.

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